{"id":16049,"date":"2021-06-05T13:19:00","date_gmt":"2021-06-05T11:19:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.schirn.de\/schirnmag\/critical-land-sprache-schafft-veraenderung-2\/"},"modified":"2025-01-27T16:51:49","modified_gmt":"2025-01-27T15:51:49","slug":"critical-land-sprache-schafft-veraenderung-2","status":"publish","type":"magazin-artikel","link":"https:\/\/staging.schirn.de\/en\/schirnmag\/critical-land-sprache-schafft-veraenderung-2\/","title":{"rendered":"Critical land. 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href=\"https:\/\/staging.schirn.de\/en\/hauptkategorie\/diskurs-en\/\" class=\"ho-tag-label\">Discourse<\/a><\/div><div class=\"ho-tag is-tertiary\"><a href=\"https:\/\/staging.schirn.de\/en\/hauptkategorie\/podcast-en\/\" class=\"ho-tag-label\">Podcast<\/a><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><div class=\"col col-xs-12\"><div class=\"wp-block-ho-div\"><div class=\"ho-tag-group flex-align-top-right\"><div class=\"ho-tag is-primary\"><a href=\"https:\/\/staging.schirn.de\/en\/tag\/exhibition\/\" class=\"ho-tag-label\">Exhibition<\/a><\/div><div class=\"ho-tag is-primary\"><a href=\"https:\/\/staging.schirn.de\/en\/tag\/society\/\" class=\"ho-tag-label\">Society<\/a><\/div><div class=\"ho-tag is-primary\"><a href=\"https:\/\/staging.schirn.de\/en\/tag\/literature\/\" class=\"ho-tag-label\">Literature<\/a><\/div><div class=\"ho-tag is-primary\"><a href=\"https:\/\/staging.schirn.de\/en\/tag\/postcolonialism\/\" class=\"ho-tag-label\">Postcolonialism<\/a><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/section><\/div>\n<\/div>\n\n\n\n\n<div  class='row'>\n\n<div  class='col col-xs-12 last-xs col-md-8'>\t<p class='ho-sd-h4'>In the final episode of the podcast series featuring Indigenous perspectives on art, nature and decolonization, Cree writer Jessica Johns talks about dreams, eulogies, and Indigenous literature.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/section>\n\n<section class='wp-block-ho-pattern toggle-optional-headline show-optional-headline' data-pattern='ho\/text-magazin-related-artikel'>\n\n<div  class='container-fluid margin-bottom-7'>\n\n<div  class='row ho-pattern-optional-headline'>\n\n<div  class='col col-xs-12 padding-bottom-3'>\n<h4 class='ho-sd-mag-h3' style=\"white-space: normal;\">Transcript<\/h4>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n\n\n\n\n<div  class='row'>\n\n<div  class='col col-xs-12 col-md-6'>\t<p class='ho-sd-body'><strong>Sylvia Cunningham:<\/strong> Welcome to \u201cCritical land\u201d. I\u2019m your host, Sylvia Cunningham. This is the fourth and final episode of an English-language podcast from the SCHIRN debuting along\u00adside its exhi\u00adbi\u00adtion,\u00a0Magnetic North: Imag\u00adining Canada in Painting 1910-1940. This podcast has been an oppor\u00adtu\u00adnity to draw from some of the themes in \u201cMagnetic North\u201d to go beyond what is displayed on the gallery walls.\u00a0Throughout this series, we\u2019ve talked with Indige\u00adnous artists and scholars about the Group of Seven, decol\u00ado\u00adnizing art, the meaning of land versus land\u00adscape, and what\u2019s missing from conver\u00adsa\u00adtions about climate change. In today\u2019s episode, we\u2019re taking a step away from the art to the literary world where we find a gener\u00ada\u00adtion of writers tack\u00adling many of these same themes. In this final chapter of \u201cCritical land\u201d, you\u2019ll hear from Cree writer Jessica Johns, a member of Sucker Creek First Nation in Treaty 8 terri\u00adtory in northern Alberta, Canada. She\u2019s now based in Vancouver where she\u2019s the managing editor of the femi\u00adnist literary collec\u00adtive Room Maga\u00adzine and co-orga\u00adnizer of the Indige\u00adnous Bril\u00adliance reading series. She\u2019s also working on her debut novel, \u201cBad Cree.\u201d\u00a0Without further ado, here\u2019s my conver\u00adsa\u00adtion with Jessica Johns.<br>[Music inter\u00adlude] <br>Before we get into your writing, because this is our final episode of \u201cCritical land\u201d, I want to circle back to our starting point which is the art exhi\u00adbi\u00adtion happening at the Schirn, where the Group of Seven\u2019s art is on display in Germany for the first time. And I\u2019m curious, when we reached out for the inter\u00adview and we mentioned the Group of Seven, did you have any asso\u00adci\u00ada\u00adtion to their work?<br><br><strong>Jessica Johns:<\/strong> No\u2026<br><br><strong>Sylvia Cunningham:<\/strong> Not at all?<br><br><strong>Jessica Johns:<\/strong> Not at all.\u00a0<br><br><strong>Sylvia Cunningham:<\/strong> And was it ever part of school curriculum or some\u00adthing you saw on the walls or\u2026?\u00a0<br><br><strong>Jessica Johns:<\/strong> When I say not at all, I mean no personal expe\u00adri\u00adence\u2026 I\u2019m bigger in the literary world and not so much the art world, but they do inter\u00adsect at some points, and so I have heard of it in passing through artist friends but other\u00adwise no personal connec\u00adtion.<br><br><strong>Sylvia Cunningham:<\/strong> In our first episode of \u201cCritical land\u201d, we talked with a Lakota-Scot\u00adtish art professor named Carmen Robertson who was describing how in her expe\u00adri\u00adence growing up in a small town, she didn\u2019t get much expo\u00adsure to art at all, but she said she did know who the Group of Seven was, so I was wondering if you had an expe\u00adri\u00adence like that. But as I mentioned, we\u2019ve really used this podcast as a chance to move away from what\u2019s solely on the gallery walls. And in our most recent episode of the podcast, I talked with Jocelyn Joe-Strack, who is a member of the Cham\u00adpagne and Aishihik First Nation. And she now calls herself a \u201cscien\u00adtist in recovery\u201d due in part to her expe\u00adri\u00adences with acad\u00ademia, where in one example while she was pursuing her Ph.D., she was basi\u00adcally told to back up the research she was doing on land claims with liter\u00ada\u00adture by southern-based, non-Indige\u00adnous acad\u00ade\u00admics that\u00a0she says with sorely under\u00adde\u00advel\u00adoped. And she ulti\u00admately chose to leave a Ph.D. program after coming to an impasse about this. And so, I was wondering if you could also person\u00adally relate to this expe\u00adri\u00adence in acad\u00ademia.<br><br><strong>Jessica Johns:<\/strong> Yeah, that\u2019s unfor\u00adtu\u00adnately pretty common. It\u2019s pretty common that histor\u00adi\u00adcally in insti\u00adtu\u00adtions, there has been a partic\u00adular anthro\u00adpo\u00adlog\u00adical view on Indige\u00adnous peoples from the lens of white people or non-Indige\u00adnous people which is really diffi\u00adcult and prob\u00adlem\u00adatic when as an Indige\u00adnous writer or artist, those are lived expe\u00adri\u00adences and not an outsider looking in. Like very much in the world. So, I have had similar expe\u00adri\u00adences in acad\u00ademia. So, I completed in my MFA at UBC for creative writing. Before that I did my under\u00adgrad\u00aduate degree in liter\u00ada\u00adture. And both of those expe\u00adri\u00adences had moments where I felt like I was being asked to consider myself outside of myself. Which is a very disso\u00adcia\u00adtive way of trying to under\u00adstand your own iden\u00adtity. In partic\u00adular this really came out in the MFA program where we were asked to prac\u00adtice story\u00adtelling and writing with very Euro\u00adcen\u00adtric tradi\u00adtions and based on Euro\u00adcen\u00adtric story\u00adtelling tradi\u00adtions. And that is really diffi\u00adcult when your story\u00adtelling tradi\u00adtions or what you think is valid as knowl\u00adedge, as a way of commu\u00adni\u00adcating and telling stories is not vali\u00addated and when you\u2019re asked to cite and read and source from white acad\u00ade\u00admics or white writers that don\u2019t have the same context and knowl\u00adedge that you do, around again your own lived expe\u00adri\u00adences, not some outsider looking in perspec\u00adtive.<br><br><strong>Sylvia Cunningham:<\/strong> What did you find was the way that you navi\u00adgated through that expe\u00adri\u00adence? Did you find you that at some points you were writing and creating work that you weren\u2019t then neces\u00adsarily proud of or that didn\u2019t reflect who you are?<br><br><strong>Jessica Johns:<\/strong> In some ways, I feel like it was a detri\u00adment to my own creative work. Espe\u00adcially at first when I was a new writer and MFA student \u2013 I\u2019m just budding, I\u2019m just learning and I\u2019m taking every\u00adthing everyone says to me very seri\u00adously, so when a person in power, a professor, an estab\u00adlished writer tells me that however I\u2019m doing some\u00adthing is wrong, that it won\u2019t interest people, that it won\u2019t sell&#8230;\u200bthat was really damaging. And I look back on some work that I wrote that just doesn&#8217;t sound like me and not just profes\u00adsors as well in the MFA. You do work\u00adshops, so you get feed\u00adback from your cohort, your peers. And when those are predom\u00adi\u00adnantly non-Indige\u00adnous peers and predom\u00adi\u00adnantly white peers, you\u2019re getting that feed\u00adback rein\u00adforced once again. And so that affected my writing in a lot of ways and it didn\u2019t feel good, but then as I kind of became a little more entrenched in the writing world and how it works and the prob\u00adlems with it and really analyzing the ways white supremacy and colo\u00adnialism have really disrupted and hurt Indige\u00adnous story\u00adtellers and writers for a really long time in Canada. Me pushing back on that became a source of creativity, so my\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/www.writerstrust.com\/authors\/jessica-johns\/\">Writers\u2019 Trust award-winning short story, \u201cBad Cree,\u201d<\/a>\u00a0which is now being made into a book, that was written sort of as a push\u00adback against advice that I had received from a white professor not to do some\u00adthing in writing and it was not to write about dreams, which is in Cree culture a very signif\u00adi\u00adcant story\u00adtelling device. It\u2019s a signif\u00adi\u00adcant and vital under\u00adstanding of knowl\u00adedge and ways of commu\u00adni\u00adcating with people, like dreams are really impor\u00adtant. And so, to be told by some\u00adbody in a group of people, \u201cDon\u2019t ever write about you dreams, people won\u2019t care, you\u2019ll lose your audi\u00adence,\u201d that was really enraging for me. And so, I wrote that piece as like a \u2013 you know what \u2013 I\u2019m going to show you.\u00a0<br><br><strong>Sylvia Cunningham:<\/strong> And you did.<br><br><strong>Jessica Johns:<\/strong> Yeah, I did! But that being said, that shouldn\u2019t happen&#8230;\u200bthis labor, this sort of quote unquote \u201cresilience\u201d narra\u00adtive should be forced on Indige\u00adnous people to over\u00adcome and fight back and respond with this award-winning piece, and there\u00adfore I won type thing, that shouldn\u2019t have happened in the first place and instead years of mentor\u00adship and support in the ways of my writing from the very start would have been far more bene\u00adfi\u00adcial than you know what ended up happening in my acad\u00ademic career.<br><br><strong>Sylvia Cunningham:<\/strong> The story you mentioned, \u201cBad Cree,\u201d this award-winning story that started out published as a short story in Grain Maga\u00adzine and that you\u2019re now trans\u00adforming it into a full novel, what is the process of fleshing out or stretching out the story? I don\u2019t even know where you begin \u2013 is it that the novel kind of continues where the short story left off, or are you actu\u00adally enlarging or expanding on sections where you had cut previ\u00adously?<br><br><strong>Jessica Johns:<\/strong> That\u2019s a really great ques\u00adtion, there have been so many iter\u00ada\u00adtions and changes to this piece to trans\u00adform it into a novel and it\u2019s still in very early drafts, so it\u2019s going to change even more still. But my initial deci\u00adsion to expand it came from not being done with it. I kept thinking about the story. I kept thinking about other things that I wanted to do with it. The char\u00adacter stayed with me. I kept thinking about other things she would do and other dream expe\u00adri\u00adences she would have, so I started expanding on these ideas I was having and then it was kind of both and partic\u00adu\u00adlarly when I showed it to my agent and when we started the edito\u00adrial process, then it became a process of sort of blowing up areas, so it was like expanding on the story, and then honing in on specific parts of the story and enlarging those and blowing them up and digging deeper into char\u00adacter devel\u00adop\u00adment, into scene and then after doing all of that, all of a sudden after doing all of that I had you know \u00a0200 pages\u2026<br><br><strong>Sylvia Cunningham:<\/strong> Oh my gosh\u2026<br><br><strong>Jessica Johns:<\/strong> I know. And I was just like, how did that even happen and again, it\u2019s still changing, and it\u2019s still morphing, but it felt kind of organic in that way.<br><br><strong>Sylvia Cunningham:<\/strong> So, do you see it as a companion piece or do you almost see it as a new work that takes on life of its own? Because with that short story, you have this begin\u00adning and middle and end or at least you know where you wrapped it, but maybe that place where you wrapped it isn\u2019t going to be the same in the novel. Are you seeing them as two kind of sepa\u00adrate enti\u00adties?<br><br><strong>Jessica Johns:<\/strong> There\u2019s so much of the orig\u00adinal piece in the novel, but it\u2019s completely different in where it\u2026the begin\u00adning, middle and end is so different, so I defi\u00adnitely see it as its own thing at this point, but you can 100 percent see its\u2026like this was the seed and this is the tree.<br><br><strong>Sylvia Cunningham:<\/strong> There\u2019s a short excerpt I\u2019d like to read from \u201cBad Cree\u201d \u2026 So, you write: \u201cIt\u2019s been two years since I left High Prairie, my home, the town where I was born and raised with my two siblings. When I moved, Mom came out to the back of the house to find me putting soil into a bottle. She just shook her head and said that it was my body that carried home, not the land. It\u2019s a Cree mom\u2019s worst night\u00admare to have her family split apart. Now here I am, a thou\u00adsand miles away in Vancouver. A bottle of prairie soil on my night\u00adstand.\u201d That sentence, \u201cit was my body that carried home, not the land.\u201d Do you person\u00adally relate to this senti\u00adment too?<br><br><strong>Jessica Johns:<\/strong> Yeah, I\u2019ve actu\u00adally changed that line, and I think about it a lot though because at the time I was reading a lot of work by \u200b\u200bQuill Christie-Peters who is an Anishi\u00adnaabe visual artist and she writes a lot about how because a lot of Indige\u00adnous people are displaced from their home\u00adlands, you know, recon\u00adnec\u00adtion to home and recon\u00adnec\u00adtion to home\u00adland can be pretty fraught. And one of the ways in which she, you know, talks about coming back home and feeling at home is how, you know, home lives with us within our bodies. It\u2019s in our blood, it\u2019s in our marrow. And I was thinking about this a lot and that really resonated with me when I was writing this. And I\u2019ve changed that line now to read: \u201cIt\u2019s our body that carries home, just as much as the land.\u201d Instead of \u201cnot the land.\u201d Because no matter where you are, whether it\u2019s your home\u00adland or not, land is so very much\u2026is such an exten\u00adsion of our bodies and ourselves, and whether that\u2019s like if you\u2019re in a city&#8230;\u200bthere might be concrete under your feet, but there\u2019s land, you\u2019re on terri\u00adtory that\u2019s like I\u2019m here on unceded terri\u00adtory, that\u2019s not my terri\u00adtory that I have to develop and think deeply about my rela\u00adtion\u00adship with this place. So, I think both those things are really impor\u00adtant, rather than one or the other which I think the first iter\u00ada\u00adtion of that sort of insin\u00adu\u00adated, whereas I think both body and land are impor\u00adtant aspects of home.<br><br><strong>Sylvia Cunningham:<\/strong> I want to pick up on that, what you just said with living on unceded terri\u00adtory. The protag\u00ado\u00adnist says that she moves to \u201cVancouver.\u201d But outside of this story, the way that you iden\u00adtify where you live and work is \u201con the tradi\u00adtional terri\u00adtory of the Musqueam, Squamish, and Tsleil-Waututh peoples.\u201d For those who aren\u2019t familiar with this distinc\u00adtion, can you describe the impor\u00adtance of this acknowl\u00adedg\u00adment and perhaps also why in your story, you chose to describe the loca\u00adtion as Vancouver?<br><br><strong>Jessica Johns:<\/strong> I think that I wrote Vancouver because that\u2019s a place people would be familiar with when they read a story and know where that is. However, I really like the idea of disrupting what people think they know of a place when the truth of that is this is unceded terri\u00adto\u00adries, which means that the people, the orig\u00adinal stew\u00adards of this land, Musqueam people, Squamish people, and Tsleil-Waututh peoples. Vancouver is the colo\u00adnized city of lands that were once theirs \u2013 and still are theirs. And to be unceded means that they\u2019d never agreed on a treaty with any of the Euro\u00adpeans and settlers, so it was just liter\u00adally no discus\u00adsions, they just took over and occu\u00adpied the land that was not theirs. So that is sort of what that distinc\u00adtion is.<br><br><strong>Sylvia Cunningham:<\/strong> I want to ask you about how you approach language&#8230;\u200bbecause I came across an\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/prismmagazine.ca\/2017\/12\/04\/everything-is-something-else-in-conversation-with-billy-ray-belcourt\/\">inter\u00adview you did back in 2017 in PRISM inter\u00adna\u00adtional<\/a>, where you were previ\u00adously the poetry editor. And at that time, you inter\u00adviewed the award-winning writer from the Drift\u00adpile Cree Nation, Billy-Ray Belcourt. His debut book of poems, \u201cThe Wound is a World\u201d had just come out. And one of the topics you covered is language in writing. And you were talking with your co-editor about when she uses Cree words, she\u2019d bracket them in the phonetic spelling, Billy would use and re-define them as he went. So, at the time, you said you trans\u00adlate Cree words when you use them. Have your deci\u00adsions around language or your philos\u00adophy on it changed even in these past three, four years?<br><br><strong>Jessica Johns:<\/strong> Yeah, signif\u00adi\u00adcantly&#8230;\u200bthanks for reminding me of that! I loved talking with Billy and Selina. And I love talking about language with people, partic\u00adu\u00adlarly Indige\u00adnous people, who are language or maybe not language learners, and just talking about their rela\u00adtion\u00adship to language. Again, some\u00adthing that\u2019s very fraught and it has changed quite a bit. Because I don\u2019t do that anymore, I don\u2019t trans\u00adlate Cree words in my writing anymore and a big reason for this is due to&#8230;\u200bthere\u2019s a writer named Leanne Simpson, who is another Anishi\u00adnaabe writer and acad\u00ademic and someone I admire and follow very much, so I\u2019m emanating her a little bit and her wisdom in this, because she\u2019s talked about this quite a bit and in her work, she used to trans\u00adlate stuff into English and in recent works she doesn\u2019t and her reasoning for this is that you know in the age of infor\u00adma\u00adtion and infor\u00adma\u00adtion at our finger\u00adtips, infor\u00adma\u00adtion is pretty acces\u00adsible these days, so if people want to look up what this word means, they can. And again, it\u2019s kind of like this is work you can do as the reader and for a Cree person reading that, they\u2019re going to read it and take some\u00adthing completely different from that reading than a non-Cree or a non-Cree speaking person would. And I like that, I like that there are layers to that and also there\u2019s just\u2026like we do it all the time. If we come across an English word we don\u2019 know, we either put it in context or we\u2019ll look it up, because we\u2019re like \u201cI have no idea what that word means.\u201d And it\u2019s just like why do we normalize that for English and quote unquote \u201cnon-foreign\u201d \u2026which is so strange that Cree would be consid\u00adered \u201cforeign\u201d in Canada, so that\u2019s a prac\u00adtice I\u2019ve started doing more recently, which is not trans\u00adlating the language when I use it and just allowing it to exist on its own.<br><br><strong>Sylvia Cunningham:<\/strong> One of the aspects I really love about your writing is how much humor you have even when you\u2019re talking about darker topics, and I think your story\u00a0\u201cGood Bones\u201d\u00a0which was published in March 2018 in Cosmo\u00adnauts Avenue encap\u00adsu\u00adlates that even with the opening line, which I\u2019ll read: \u201cWhen my sister finds her eulogy, she\u2019s really not impressed. And she should have been quite happy, I think, consid\u00adering I managed to come up with so many nice things to say about her.\u201d\u00a0And without giving too much away, we learn that this char\u00adacter spends a lot of time imag\u00adining the kinds of ways people will die \u2013 and really not in a morbid way, or at least the way I took it, to me it was more in a prepared-for-anything way. And I was wondering, do you think that\u2019s some\u00adthing of a defense mech\u00ada\u00adnism, as if the grief will not be as intense if you know you\u2019re liter\u00adally prepared for any possible circum\u00adstance?<br><br><strong>Jessica Johns:<\/strong> That\u2019s a good ques\u00adtion&#8230;I don\u2019t know what that is. One of my friends and really, really bril\u00adliant writers, her name is Samantha Nock and she\u2019s a M\u00e9tis writer. She has a line in a poem, and it\u2019s some\u00adthing like, this isn\u2019t it exactly, but it\u2019s some\u00adthing like&#8230;\u200bKokum tells me to tell my saddest story and follow it up with my biggest joke. And there\u2019s just some\u00adthing about\u2026and you find this a lot, or I\u2019ve found it a lot with Indige\u00adnous people, and I don\u2019t want to talk about us as a mono\u00adlith, because we\u2019re all very different, there\u2019s lots of different cultures and nations. But\u2026but. I\u2019ve found it to the case that Indige\u00adnous people, pretty gener\u00adally, are really, really funny. Just really funny people and I think that just exists on itself. Just\u2026we\u2019ve got humor in our bones. And another part of it, this idea of pairing it with maybe darker moments is that grief sort of always lives with us, you know. And there\u2019s inter\u00adgen\u00ader\u00ada\u00adtional trauma that we\u2019re dealing with, there\u2019s the constant trauma of everyday living in a colo\u00adnial world that is still trying to erad\u00adi\u00adcate us and our people and our rights. And that\u2019s an everyday trauma we have to deal with and if we focus on that all the time, I think that\u2019s a really quick way to ensure that that destruc\u00adtion happens, so instead we joke about it. And I don\u2019t know if defense mech\u00ada\u00adnism is the word, but it\u2019s some\u00adwhere around there.\u00a0<br><br><strong>Sylvia Cunningham:<\/strong> And in this story \u201cGood Bones,\u201d while the char\u00adacter is imag\u00adining how people she loves or knows will die, she\u2019s also drafting their eulo\u00adgies. And I was wondering while you were writing this piece of fiction, if you were thinking about your own eulogy and what people would say. Kind of a darker ques\u00adtion\u2026<br><br><strong>Jessica Johns:<\/strong> I love that ques\u00adtion, so don\u2019t worry at all&#8230;\u200byou know I have not thought, even while I was writing that, about my own death and eulogy and things like that, but I was in a period of thinking quite heavily about people in my life dying and what I would say at their funerals which is a really weird thing to do. And sort of, that\u2019s the premise of the story, getting out this weird compul\u00adsion. But it was also at a time in my life when I was dealing with grief, I had just lost a couple of friends, so I don\u2019t think yeah&#8230;\u200bit was a strange thing to be contem\u00adplating death in such an intense way at that time. But I prob\u00adably should have going to therapy or some\u00adthing&#8230;I wrote it down instead.<br><br><strong>Sylvia Cunningham:<\/strong> Yeah that\u2019s funny that you say that because there is the ther\u00ada\u00adpist in the story and another line I jotted down was: \u201c\u2019Maybe you should go back to see Dr. Boxma,\u2019 Mom suggests. Dr. Boxma was a wonderful woman who really tried her best, but you just can\u2019t admit weird things to a person with a perfectly symmet\u00adrical face.\u201d<br><br><strong>Jessica Johns:<\/strong> I mean that\u2019s just true! If someone is too perfect, it\u2019s really hard to\u00a0tell them about abnormal things. You know?<br><br><strong>Sylvia Cunningham:<\/strong> Absolutely&#8230;\u200bbecause you were writing this story at a time where you describe there were these paral\u00adlels in your life, did you find that because as you mentioned you hadn\u2019t been talking to a ther\u00ada\u00adpist, did you find that was a construc\u00adtive way to be prepared for these circum\u00adstances, to be imag\u00adining things and kind of working through these scenarios, or was it just a way you were processing and you can\u2019t say if it really helped or didn\u2019t help in the end?<br><br><strong>Jessica Johns:<\/strong> Hmm&#8230;I don\u2019t know if it helped or didn\u2019t help in the end. At that time too I was really just starting to&#8230;\u200bthat was one of the very first things I published and I was really just starting to write I feel like in a more delib\u00aderate way, delib\u00aderate in that I was trying to write as a writer and not just as a \u201csecret writer\u201d as I was kind of doing before, just writing for myself.<br><br><strong>Sylvia Cunningham:<\/strong> Wait, what do you mean by that, a secret writer?<br><br><strong>Jessica Johns:<\/strong> So that piece was some\u00adthing I was writing and thinking, I\u2019m going to write this to send out to try to publish it some\u00adwhere. A \u201csecret writer\u201d would be like before that where I was writing and I was like, I\u2019m not showing this to anybody, this isn\u2019t for anybody else, this is just for me and my own purposes. So, to anybody else, I wouldn\u2019t be a writer because no one knew I was doing the work. So I don\u2019t know because I was processing a lot of feel\u00adings and emotions I guess through that piece but I was also very aware that I was writing it to go out in the world, I was writing it to be published, so I was careful I guess not to be too raw in that I still really imbued it with a lot of fantas\u00adtical elements to put a bit of a shield between the work and my own processing and feel\u00adings.\u00a0<br><br><strong>Sylvia Cunningham:<\/strong> Making this tran\u00adsi\u00adtion from \u201csecret writer\u201d to published writer, do you find that you started to have a reader in mind that you were imag\u00adining reading your work?\u00a0\u00a0<br><br><strong>Jessica Johns:<\/strong> Yes, I feel like I\u2019m writing to myself, like I\u2019m writing stories that me of\u2026not even years ago, like even me just now would really want to read. Because I really love fantasy and I love magical realism, and I love really weird stories. I love horror, grotesque elements, and so I read a lot of that and I\u2019d love to see Cree people in these stories and so I feel like when I\u2019m writing, I\u2019m writing books that I would really like. I\u2019m trying to write things that if I were to not know myself and pick up this book, I would be excited about it.<br><br><strong>Sylvia Cunningham:<\/strong> In an<a href=\"https:\/\/www.thestar.com\/news\/canada\/debut-novel-bad-cree-has-sucker-creek-nation-author-living-a-dream\/article_f3043664-ec8c-532f-950c-5d28e3e53e9f.html\">\u00a0article that appeared in the Toronto Star<\/a>,\u00a0your agent Stephanie Sinclair said about your work\u2026 \u201cIn many ways (Johns\u2019) sort of normal\u00adizing and human\u00adizing an urban Indige\u00adnous expe\u00adri\u00adence in a way that I think chal\u00adlenges how people think about stereo\u00adtyp\u00adical Indige\u00adnous people. I think that she\u2019s also offering insight and perspec\u00adtive into the joy that exists within many, many Indige\u00adnous fami\u00adlies we don\u2019t hear enough about.\u201d Do you agree with that assess\u00adment? Is that a goal, or simply the effect?\u00a0<br><br><strong>Jessica Johns:<\/strong> I think that is an effect because I am not striving out to repre\u00adsent an urban Indige\u00adnous expe\u00adri\u00adence you know versus any other expe\u00adri\u00adence espe\u00adcially because there are so many different kinds of Indige\u00adnous expe\u00adri\u00adences, but I think what she\u2019s getting at is exactly that, that there are so many different kinds of Indige\u00adnous expe\u00adri\u00adences and one where, you know, an Indige\u00adnous millen\u00adnial living in the city that\u2019s an expe\u00adri\u00adence and writing about Indi\u00adgeneity, or just being an Indige\u00adnous writer, writing about stuff, just doesn\u2019t have to be any partic\u00adular way because of expec\u00adta\u00adtion and outside people, and I think what Stephanie appre\u00adci\u00adates about my writing is I\u2019m just trying to be genuine. I\u2019m trying to write from an expe\u00adri\u00adence I know and not one that I don\u2019t. And so that means that an Indige\u00adnous person who\u2019s fucking up a lot of the time, when she\u2019s trying like you know figure out how to smudge because that\u2019s a tradi\u00adtional teaching that she wasn\u2019t actu\u00adally taught when she was growing up even though she grew up in her commu\u00adnity. You know, she stum\u00adbles through learning stuff and stum\u00adbles through connecting back with her family, because things have happened that have made those connec\u00adtions a little fraught and severed, but her commu\u00adnity and family is still so signif\u00adi\u00adcantly impor\u00adtant. So, I think that even though that\u2019s certainly not a goal, writing from an expe\u00adri\u00adence that I know, rather than pretend at some\u00adthing I don\u2019t has resonated.\u00a0<br><br><strong>Sylvia Cunningham:<\/strong> Do you have a typical writing routine?<br><br><strong>Jessica Johns:<\/strong> Yeah, I\u2019m not a morning writer, I tried to be. I tried to be that person who was like I\u2019m going to get up early, get a coffee and write. But it doesn\u2019t work, my brain doesn\u2019t work like that. And so then when I started writing the book, and signif\u00adi\u00adcantly when I\u2019ve been editing, my routine is I can only work on it for 2-3 hours max because it\u2019s a lot and it\u2019s exhausting, it takes a lot of mental energy, so I will do that in the after\u00adnoon, and then work on other stuff after, or like light things after\u00adwards. But I do it every day. Because once I get out of a rhythm where there are so many things I have to keep in mind, once I\u2019m start doing it and I\u2019m in it and I\u2019m editing two chap\u00adters at a time or what\u00adever I\u2019m done, I\u2019m doing it every single day and if I take a break, then it\u2019s like a wheel has come off of a car and anything can happen at that&#8230;\u200bso I keep within that routine, and I also real\u00adized that in terms of writing, I picked up this routine by acci\u00addent but I got into a routine of reading every night and right after I\u2019d finished reading, I would put my book away and then I would write on my phone for I don\u2019t know, half hour, an hour, because reading is such a huge \u2013 it really helps me write. And so, I\u2019m like laying it bed, not on my computer, not anything writerly, I\u2019m just in my notes app and I\u2019m just like writing, and then I go to bed. And I was doing that, a lot of my novel was written in my notes app.<br><br><strong>Sylvia Cunningham:<\/strong> Do you find that because you\u2019re reading different authors right before bed and right before writing, that you\u2019ll look back at sections you wrote and think \u201coh OK, that was defi\u00adnitely following reading this or that author.\u201d<br><br><strong>Jessica Johns:<\/strong> Defi\u00adnitely. Oh yeah. I was reading Eden Robinson, the last \u201cTrick\u00adster\u201d book in her series. And it\u2019s really grotesque, there\u2019s lots of body horrors. And yeah, there were some scenes I was re-reading that I wrote where I was like, \u201cWow, I was deep in the Eden Robinson spiral there.\u201d<br><br><strong>Sylvia Cunningham:<\/strong> And aside from writing your debut novel, you are also the managing editor of\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/roommagazine.com\/\">Room Maga\u00adzine<\/a>, which is Canada\u2019s oldest femi\u00adnist literary journal. With that what I just said, being its oldest femi\u00adnist literary journal, that kind of legacy already intact, what have been your goals since taking over?\u00a0<br><br><strong>Jessica Johns:<\/strong> There were a couple of things that I really wanted to do when I took over. The managing editor before me, Chelene Knight, she was a really wonderful mentor to me. And I really wanted to uphold a legacy that had already started. She already began it. I wasn\u2019t doing anything new. But she had imple\u00admented and tried to ensure that the orga\u00adni\u00adza\u00adtion of room, so it\u2019s like a team of collec\u00adtive members, of volun\u00adteers, of staff. Every\u00adthing was centered on rela\u00adtion\u00adships \u2013 rela\u00adtion\u00adships with each other, rela\u00adtion\u00adships with our writers, with our vendors, with orga\u00adni\u00adza\u00adtions that we partner with to do projects. And these were just really\u2026the literary world can be really cold, espe\u00adcially you know these orga\u00adni\u00adza\u00adtions built on, you know capi\u00adtalism is the running machine that we\u2019re all just cogs in, you know I think she wanted Room to embody some\u00adthing different and move in a different way. So, in that vein, I really wanted to do a couple of things. So, I had kind of started at Room with the Indige\u00adnous Bril\u00adliance reading series, and I really wanted to incor\u00adpo\u00adrate it more seri\u00adously into the Room dynamic, because at the time two years, it was still sort of an offset under the umbrella Room. So, it was a reading series that occurred, but I really wanted to encourage more projects that centered Indige\u00adnous voices, that centered Black voices, and so since then, that has been one of the things I feel we\u2019ve done to a really posi\u00adtive degree. We have so many more really wonderful projects with Indige\u00adnous Bril\u00adliance that are more inten\u00adtion\u00adally weaved into the fabric of Room instead of an offshoot. And then also reeval\u00adu\u00adating our systems because every single literary maga\u00adzine is inher\u00adently built on colo\u00adnial system, in that every\u00adthing from our style guide to the language we use, English, is a colo\u00adnial language. And so I really wanted to ques\u00adtion every\u00adthing we\u2019re doing and disrupt them, and think how can we update these systems, these poli\u00adcies, these guides, these resources, to incor\u00adpo\u00adrate anti-oppres\u00adsion, anti-oppres\u00adsive prac\u00adtices and so it\u2019s a lot of backend work, but it\u2019s struc\u00adtural and I feel like as editors, learning from resources that center anti-oppres\u00adsive prac\u00adtices rather than just grammar, is just a really signif\u00adi\u00adcant act in editing and in maga\u00adzine publishing. And yeah, so trying to do those things has been pretty signif\u00adi\u00adcant amount of work and learning and unlearning on my part.<br><br><strong>Sylvia Cunningham:<\/strong> And when you\u2019re decon\u00adstructing these style guides, are new style guides taking their place, and what are then the new rules or are there new rules?<br><br><strong>Jessica Johns:<\/strong> No, no, there are still rules. But they\u2019re more like\u2026instead of straight\u00adfor\u00adward, this is what you do, and this is what you don\u2019t do\u2026it\u2019s more a way to approach editing, so the style guide still exists, it\u2019s just different. For example, one of the things was pretty across style guides across the board in style guides was that you had to ital\u00adi\u00adcize non-English words, and so a disrup\u00adtion in that was you do not have to do this, it\u2019s up to the writer if they would like to. And incor\u00adpo\u00adrating into the style guide what oppres\u00adsion looks like in writing, so being able to iden\u00adtify when oppres\u00adsive language is being used, so some metaphors and things like that can be quite racist or trans\u00adphobic, or misog\u00ady\u00adnist. It\u2019s language we take for granted or we\u2019re just not aware of it. It\u2019s been so engrained in our language, in our lexicon that we don\u2019t realize it. So, people will put that into writing and then it comes to us, and instead of just having this thing, like \u201chere\u2019s how you iden\u00adtify a misplaced modi\u00adfier,\u201d this is a style guide that\u2019s like, \u201chere\u2019s how you iden\u00adtify poten\u00adtially racist language\u201d or this prob\u00adlem\u00adatic thing. And here\u2019s how you could approach changing that or here\u2019s how you could approach that conver\u00adsa\u00adtion with the writer who prob\u00adably didn\u2019t inten\u00adtion\u00adally do that, and so you have that conver\u00adsa\u00adtion. So, it\u2019s more like that. And it doesn\u2019t have all the answers because there\u2019s no way to iden\u00adtify every\u00adthing that could possibly come up. It\u2019s more so a way of going about editing. It\u2019s a shift about how we have to look at editing I guess. There\u2019s an Indige\u00adnous style guide written by the late Gregory Younging and I think this prac\u00adtice is really modeled after that book where he says right from the begin\u00adning, like this isn\u2019t a how to, this isn\u2019t going to give you all your answers, it\u2019s instead going to give you a new way to approach these things, a new way of ques\u00adtioning, a new way of thinking about new rela\u00adtion\u00adship to language and these kinds of things. It\u2019s an opening up. So, he style guide has changed in order to do that.<br><br><strong>Sylvia Cunningham:<\/strong> You mentioned you\u2019re the co-curator of the Indige\u00adnous Bril\u00adliance reading series in Vancouver, which high\u00adlights the works of Indige\u00adnous women, Two Spirit and queer writers. And I\u2019m imag\u00adining that you\u2019re familiar with many of these writers already, but you\u2019re prob\u00adably learning about new writers all the time as well. And so was wondering if you could leave us with some story or book recom\u00admen\u00adda\u00adtions or people that we should also be checking out.\u00a0\u00a0<br><br><strong>Jessica Johns:<\/strong> Yeah absolutely, I love giving recom\u00admen\u00adda\u00adtions, espe\u00adcially from Indige\u00adnous writers and queer Indige\u00adnous writers. So jaye simpson\u2019s book, \u201cit was never going to be okay\u201d came out last year and it\u2019s absolutely bril\u00adliant. It\u2019s a poetry collec\u00adtion. They\u2019re a member of the Indige\u00adnous Bril\u00adliance team and an absolutely fantastic human being. Selina Boan just published a poetry book collec\u00adtion called \u201cUndoing Hours.\u201d Molly Cross-Blan\u00adchard just published a poetry collec\u00adtion called \u201cExhi\u00adbi\u00adtionist.\u201d Well of course everyone knows and love Billy-Ray Belcourt, and his newest non-fiction \u201cA History of My Brief Body,\u201d up for numerous awards and always bril\u00adliant. I had mentioned Eden Robinson already and the \u201cTrick\u00adster series.\u201d Very forma\u00adtive series for me actu\u00adally and my work and her mentor\u00adship has been really influ\u00aden\u00adtial as well.<br><br><strong>Sylvia Cunningham:<\/strong> That was Jessica Johns, the managing editor of Room Maga\u00adzine whose debut novel \u201cBad Cree\u201d is sched\u00aduled to be published by Harper\u00adCollins Canada in spring 2023. Our music is from Blue Dot Sessions. A big thank you to all of my inter\u00adview guests for taking the time to speak with me over this series \u2013 Carmen Robertson, Martina Wein\u00adhart, Caro\u00adline Monnet, Jocelyn Joe-Strack and Jessica Johns. Thank you also to my friend and artist Miranda Holmes for being a sounding board and allowing me to pick her brain before the very first episode of \u201cCritical land\u201d. The \u201cMagnetic North\u201d exhi\u00adbi\u00adtion at the Schirn Kunsthalle Frank\u00adfurt has been extended until August 29th, so you still have some time to see what is actu\u00adally on the gallery walls, including works by Caro\u00adline Monnet, Lisa Jackson, and a selec\u00adtion of 90 paint\u00adings and 40 sketches from the Group of Seven, on display in Germany for the first time.\u00a0<\/p>\n<\/div>\n\n\n\n\n<div  class='col col-xs-12 col-md-6 sizes-height-fit related-sticky'><a href=\"https:\/\/staging.schirn.de\/en\/schirnmag\/critical-land-mythos-der-unberuehrten-natur-2\/\" class=\"wp-block-ho-teaser teaser teaser-magazin-artikel related-sticky-teaser related-teaser-round\">\n\t\n\n<div  class='row'>\n\n<div  class='col col-xs-4'><div class=\"wp-block-ho-post-image \"><figure itemscope itemtype=\"http:\/\/schema.org\/ImageObject\" class=\"lazy-media-inline \" role=\"group\" aria-describedby=\"media_69e9f2f2ce43b\">\n<script type=\"application\/json\">{\n\"id\" : 16015,\n\"sizes\" : {\"medium\":{\"file\":\"CriticalLand1_Final-300x138.jpg\",\"width\":300,\"height\":138,\"mime-type\":\"image\\\/jpeg\",\"filesize\":9977},\"large\":{\"file\":\"CriticalLand1_Final-1024x471.jpg\",\"width\":1024,\"height\":471,\"mime-type\":\"image\\\/jpeg\",\"filesize\":87511},\"medium_large\":{\"file\":\"CriticalLand1_Final-768x354.jpg\",\"width\":768,\"height\":354,\"mime-type\":\"image\\\/jpeg\",\"filesize\":53101},\"1536x1536\":{\"file\":\"CriticalLand1_Final-1536x707.jpg\",\"width\":1536,\"height\":707,\"mime-type\":\"image\\\/jpeg\",\"filesize\":175477},\"small\":{\"file\":\"CriticalLand1_Final-440x203.jpg\",\"width\":440,\"height\":203,\"mime-type\":\"image\\\/jpeg\",\"filesize\":19194},\"semi\":{\"file\":\"CriticalLand1_Final-580x267.jpg\",\"width\":580,\"height\":267,\"mime-type\":\"image\\\/jpeg\",\"filesize\":31568},\"mobile\":{\"file\":\"CriticalLand1_Final-720x332.jpg\",\"width\":720,\"height\":332,\"mime-type\":\"image\\\/jpeg\",\"filesize\":46928},\"hd\":{\"file\":\"CriticalLand1_Final-1280x589.jpg\",\"width\":1280,\"height\":589,\"mime-type\":\"image\\\/jpeg\",\"filesize\":129514},\"original\":{\"file\":\"CriticalLand1_Final.jpg\",\"width\":1920,\"height\":884}},\n\"alt\" : \"\",\n\"path\" : \"\\\/wp-content\\\/uploads\\\/2024\\\/12\\\/\",\n\"video\" : null,\n\"autoplay\" : null,\n\"youtube\" : null,\n\"youtubelabel\" : \"play\",\n\"brightness\" : 100,\n\"crop\" : {\"x\":0.5,\"y\":0.5},\n\"background\" : true,\n\"scale\" : 1,\n\"zoom\" : false,\n\"annotations\" : null}<\/script>\n<div class=\"height-container \" style=\"padding-bottom:100%;   \">\n\t<div class=\"height-container-contents lazy-media-contents\">\n\t\n\t<div class=\"lazy-media-preview\" style=\"background-image: url('data:image\/jpeg;base64,\/9j\/4AAQSkZJRgABAQEAYABgAAD\/\/gA7Q1JFQVRPUjogZ2QtanBlZyB2MS4wICh1c2luZyBJSkcgSlBFRyB2NjIpLCBxdWFsaXR5ID0gOTAK\/9sAQwADAgIDAgIDAwMDBAMDBAUIBQUEBAUKBwcGCAwKDAwLCgsLDQ4SEA0OEQ4LCxAWEBETFBUVFQwPFxgWFBgSFBUU\/9sAQwEDBAQFBAUJBQUJFA0LDRQUFBQUFBQUFBQUFBQUFBQUFBQUFBQUFBQUFBQUFBQUFBQUFBQUFBQUFBQUFBQUFBQU\/8AAEQgACwAYAwEiAAIRAQMRAf\/EAB8AAAEFAQEBAQEBAAAAAAAAAAABAgMEBQYHCAkKC\/\/EALUQAAIBAwMCBAMFBQQEAAABfQECAwAEEQUSITFBBhNRYQcicRQygZGhCCNCscEVUtHwJDNicoIJChYXGBkaJSYnKCkqNDU2Nzg5OkNERUZHSElKU1RVVldYWVpjZGVmZ2hpanN0dXZ3eHl6g4SFhoeIiYqSk5SVlpeYmZqio6Slpqeoqaqys7S1tre4ubrCw8TFxsfIycrS09TV1tfY2drh4uPk5ebn6Onq8fLz9PX29\/j5+v\/EAB8BAAMBAQEBAQEBAQEAAAAAAAABAgMEBQYHCAkKC\/\/EALURAAIBAgQEAwQHBQQEAAECdwABAgMRBAUhMQYSQVEHYXETIjKBCBRCkaGxwQkjM1LwFWJy0QoWJDThJfEXGBkaJicoKSo1Njc4OTpDREVGR0hJSlNUVVZXWFlaY2RlZmdoaWpzdHV2d3h5eoKDhIWGh4iJipKTlJWWl5iZmqKjpKWmp6ipqrKztLW2t7i5usLDxMXGx8jJytLT1NXW19jZ2uLj5OXm5+jp6vLz9PX29\/j5+v\/aAAwDAQACEQMRAD8A+6\/FHxq0jSNGvJ49QiaVYWZNpzmvmG7+MF14R8c6Tq0urzXdhqZxcQSvuCg9GA7Vn+GbGDUrbSLa6jE8EsbB0ck7hit648EaFeahpsc+mxSpHHhQ2eMHjvX5zjailBwqaqx9jglTqPRW1seseH\/GFxc+OLeaG832cm1kAPBBFFZ3hrS7W2121EUKoEG1QOwHSiuHC4uVGkoQWh21cvpqWp\/\/2Q=='); background-position: 50% 50%; height: 100%; width: 100%;\"><\/div>\n\n\t\t<lazy-media-inline inline-template>\n\t\t<div>\n\t\t\t<lazy-media :inline=\"true\" :alt=\"alt\" :sizes=\"sizes\" :scale=\"scale\" :zoom=\"zoom\" :brightness=\"brightness\" :path=\"path\" :video=\"video\" :autoplay=\"autoplay\" :youtube=\"youtube\" :crop=\"crop\" :youtubelabel=\"youtubelabel\" :annotations=\"annotations\" :background=\"background\" v-if=\"sizes\"><\/lazy-media>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t<\/lazy-media-inline>\n\t\t\t<\/div>\n<\/div>\n\n\n\n\n\n\n<\/figure>\n\n\t\t<\/div>\n<\/div>\n\n\n\n\n<div  class='col col-xs-8 related-sticky-teaser-content'>\n\n<div  class='padding-bottom-2'>\t<p class='ho-sd-category-small'>\u00c4hnlicher Artikel<\/p>\n<\/div>\n\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-ho-div\"><h3 class=\"ho-sd-teaser-headline-small\">Critical land. 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  \"><div class=\"height-container-contents lazy-media-contents\"><div class=\"lazy-media loaded\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/staging.schirn.de\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/01\/Schirn_Presse_Portrait_Rosa_Barba.jpg\" srcset=\"https:\/\/staging.schirn.de\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/01\/Schirn_Presse_Portrait_Rosa_Barba.jpg 1500w, https:\/\/staging.schirn.de\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/01\/Schirn_Presse_Portrait_Rosa_Barba-300x278.jpg 300w, https:\/\/staging.schirn.de\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/01\/Schirn_Presse_Portrait_Rosa_Barba-1024x948.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/staging.schirn.de\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/01\/Schirn_Presse_Portrait_Rosa_Barba-768x711.jpg 768w, https:\/\/staging.schirn.de\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/01\/Schirn_Presse_Portrait_Rosa_Barba-440x407.jpg 440w, https:\/\/staging.schirn.de\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/01\/Schirn_Presse_Portrait_Rosa_Barba-580x537.jpg 580w, https:\/\/staging.schirn.de\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/01\/Schirn_Presse_Portrait_Rosa_Barba-720x667.jpg 720w, https:\/\/staging.schirn.de\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/01\/Schirn_Presse_Portrait_Rosa_Barba-1280x1185.jpg 1280w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 763px) 50vw, (min-width: 764px) and (max-width: 1023px) 25vw, (min-width: 1024px) 25vw\" alt=\"Woman with long, dark hair, a thoughtful expression, and red lips, wearing a checkered top.\" loading=\"lazy\" \/><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/figure><\/div><div class=\"wp-block-ho-slot \"><\/div><\/div><div  class='padding-top-3'><div  class='margin-bottom-2 ho-tag-group'><div class=\"is-primary is-small\"><span class=\"ho-tag is-primary is-small\"><span class=\"ho-tag-label\">Interview<\/span><\/span><\/div><\/div><h3 class=\"ho-sd-mag-h5 hyphen\">SCHIRN Questionnaire: Rosa Barba<\/h3><\/div><\/a><\/li><li class=\"wp-block-ho-lane-item col margin-bottom-5 col-md-3 col-xs-6\"><a href=\"https:\/\/staging.schirn.de\/en\/schirnmag\/the-schirn-in-2026\/\" class=\"wp-block-ho-teaser teaser teaser-magazin-artikel \"><div  class='magazine-teaser'><div class=\"wp-block-ho-post-image \"><figure itemscope itemtype=\"http:\/\/schema.org\/ImageObject\" class=\"lazy-media-inline \" role=\"group\" aria-describedby=\"media_69e9f2f2b783c\"><script type=\"application\/json\">{\n\"id\" : 44564,\n\"sizes\" : {\"medium\":{\"file\":\"Schirn-Presse_Holly-Herndon-Mat-Dryhurst_Xhairymutantx-2024-2025-300x149.jpg\",\"width\":300,\"height\":149,\"mime-type\":\"image\\\/jpeg\",\"filesize\":27151},\"large\":{\"file\":\"Schirn-Presse_Holly-Herndon-Mat-Dryhurst_Xhairymutantx-2024-2025-1024x510.jpg\",\"width\":1024,\"height\":510,\"mime-type\":\"image\\\/jpeg\",\"filesize\":201671},\"medium_large\":{\"file\":\"Schirn-Presse_Holly-Herndon-Mat-Dryhurst_Xhairymutantx-2024-2025-768x383.jpg\",\"width\":768,\"height\":383,\"mime-type\":\"image\\\/jpeg\",\"filesize\":128230},\"1536x1536\":{\"file\":\"Schirn-Presse_Holly-Herndon-Mat-Dryhurst_Xhairymutantx-2024-2025-1536x765.jpg\",\"width\":1536,\"height\":765,\"mime-type\":\"image\\\/jpeg\",\"filesize\":376218},\"2048x2048\":{\"file\":\"Schirn-Presse_Holly-Herndon-Mat-Dryhurst_Xhairymutantx-2024-2025-2048x1020.jpg\",\"width\":2048,\"height\":1020,\"mime-type\":\"image\\\/jpeg\",\"filesize\":576362},\"small\":{\"file\":\"Schirn-Presse_Holly-Herndon-Mat-Dryhurst_Xhairymutantx-2024-2025-440x219.jpg\",\"width\":440,\"height\":219,\"mime-type\":\"image\\\/jpeg\",\"filesize\":52281},\"semi\":{\"file\":\"Schirn-Presse_Holly-Herndon-Mat-Dryhurst_Xhairymutantx-2024-2025-580x289.jpg\",\"width\":580,\"height\":289,\"mime-type\":\"image\\\/jpeg\",\"filesize\":82346},\"mobile\":{\"file\":\"Schirn-Presse_Holly-Herndon-Mat-Dryhurst_Xhairymutantx-2024-2025-720x359.jpg\",\"width\":720,\"height\":359,\"mime-type\":\"image\\\/jpeg\",\"filesize\":116402},\"hd\":{\"file\":\"Schirn-Presse_Holly-Herndon-Mat-Dryhurst_Xhairymutantx-2024-2025-1280x638.jpg\",\"width\":1280,\"height\":638,\"mime-type\":\"image\\\/jpeg\",\"filesize\":285235},\"full\":{\"file\":\"Schirn-Presse_Holly-Herndon-Mat-Dryhurst_Xhairymutantx-2024-2025-1920x957.jpg\",\"width\":1920,\"height\":957,\"mime-type\":\"image\\\/jpeg\",\"filesize\":525529},\"original\":{\"file\":\"Schirn-Presse_Holly-Herndon-Mat-Dryhurst_Xhairymutantx-2024-2025.jpg\",\"width\":3456,\"height\":1722}},\n\"alt\" : \"Colorful, surreal scenes with warrior figures, a unicorn, and imaginative characters in various poses.\",\n\"path\" : \"\\\/wp-content\\\/uploads\\\/2025\\\/12\\\/\",\n\"video\" : null,\n\"autoplay\" : null,\n\"youtube\" : null,\n\"youtubelabel\" : \"play\",\n\"brightness\" : 100,\n\"crop\" : null,\n\"background\" : false,\n\"scale\" : 1,\n\"zoom\" : false,\n\"annotations\" : null}<\/script><div class=\"height-container \" style=\"padding-bottom:49.826388888889%; 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